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Author Topic: Rise of the internet... demise of the secondhand bookshop  (Read 2879 times)
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« on: April 12, 2008, 03:35:58 PM »

I greatly enjoyed Mark Morris's column in the latest issue of Prism.

I was born in the early '70s and it was probably around the early '90s before I really had my own money with which to go out and spend on books.

I got in just at the tail end of there being secondhand bookshops in Glasgow: by the early 2000s they were gone.

But, yeah, I have fond memories of those few good years - pre-internet - of going out book-hunting!

Sure, the internet makes it ridiculously easy to find books now, as Mark says, but you just can't beat that pleasure of walking into your regular secondhand bookshop and the owner grinning at you upon seeing a familiar face, saying nothing, but instead hands over a plain brown paper bag. You don't know what's in it, but you grin too, wondering which out-of-print title on your wants-list he's managed to track down this time. You know you're going to love it.

In Glasgow's city centre there were two main secondhand booksellers, Russell Aitken at Virginia Galleries and Fred Rennie near the High Street cross. I became friends with both these men and, indeed, every Thursday evening Fred and I would meet up at his local for a beer and a blether. I still see Russell regularly but, alas, Fred has moved and now only one of his old customers still sees him.

The point I'm making here, obviously, is that it wasn't just about the pleasure of trawling those dusty and musty bookshelves searching for that elusive gem: if was about the friendships you made, both with the booksellers and fellow customers. Those who had the pleasure of knowing that dear, wonderful gentleman Ken Slater will know of what I'm talking here.

Sadly, though, the new generation with never know this pleasure (although conventions go some way to address this).

Hell, back in the youth of my book-hunting days there was even here, in my small local town of Airdrie, a small secondhand bookshop/stall/cubbyhole located in the indoor market. It was there, at the age of 14, that I picked up the 1978 Ace edition of Alice Sheldon's Ten Thousand Light-Years From Home. I didn't get it, not at that age, but the book?s images and the sheer tangiblness of her style never left me.

(And, as a by-the-way, here's a book that you absolutely OWE IT TO YOURSELF to read: James Tiptree Jr.:The Double Life of Alice B. Sheldon (2006) by Julie Phillips, issued just last June in paperback http://www.amazon.co.uk/James-Tiptree-JR-Double-Sheldon/dp/0312426941/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1208009069&sr=8-1 )

The ease of the internet is terrific ? for instance for years I tried to track down a copy of John Crowley?s Engine Summer. Russell and Fred had no success. The only copy available, it seemed, was from Erik Arthur down at London?s Fantasy Centre (another wonderful gentleman of the secondhand book trade). But it was a first edition and kind of expensive, and besides I was ? and still am! ? a humble paperback reading copy type of person ?

- then the internet came along and I picked up a paperback edition for a few pounds.

I was delighted.

But, you know what, not half as much as I would have been if I?d walked into Fred?s shop and he?d grinned at me through his beard and handed it to me in a brown paper bag.

(Second by-the-way: http://betterworld.com/ has been a God send to me ? they accept PayPal, only charge $3 international postage per book and, best of all, it?s a charity. I?ve picked up some wonderful gems here, such as a bunch of out-of-print Scream/Press and Dark Harvest titles from the '80s. If you?re a reader like me ? in other words, you?re not that bothered with this whole fine/fine unread condition malarkey ? then betterworld.com is great for simple good condition reading copies.)
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« Reply #1 on: April 12, 2008, 04:57:03 PM »

That's sad, because we have loads of secondhand bookshops down here on the South Coast.  I often use them for primary sources of history as most also sell all kinds of booklets and magazines dated back to 30s. 

The other advantage of them is that they are not polluted by stench of freshly ground coffee unlike most modern bookshops.   Mind you do have to be a contortionist to find what you're looking for.   Smiley
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« Reply #2 on: April 12, 2008, 05:42:47 PM »

That's sad, because we have loads of secondhand bookshops down here on the South Coast. 

The closest we have now to secondhand bookshops up here is the charity shops. Fine, if all you're after is supermarket bestsellers. Almost entirely useless if your tastes are a little more discerning!  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #3 on: April 13, 2008, 06:24:33 PM »

but you can't really browse online bookdealers unless you are sad enough to sit at the terminal all day long. you can't discover things by chance
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« Reply #4 on: April 14, 2008, 05:24:33 PM »

but you can't really browse online bookdealers unless you are sad enough to sit at the terminal all day long. you can't discover things by chance

Absolutely Ken -

- although, having said that, taking a look at my 'to read' pile here then maybe that's just as well!  Wink
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« Reply #5 on: April 14, 2008, 06:52:33 PM »

Yes Paul,

the days have gone. I had a load of friends in the trade and I remember these little moments of mutual appreciation when they found something good. The pleasure of poring over shelves, the sudden sight of something you had been searching for.

It was all brought home to me on the inception fo the internet. I had been collecting Eddison for many years with one magical sight of 'The Worm Ouroborous' behind a glass case in Ferret Fantasy, London - a foreign country to me.

Then one click on a button.: inconceivable amounts of every possible edition. The sudden realisation that I could have them all - if I mortgaged my house. It was a definite loss of something quite indefinable.
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« Reply #6 on: April 14, 2008, 08:30:51 PM »

Mind you, I think those of us who didn't grow up with the internet, will be in the habit of wandering around secondhand book places anyway, just to see what's there.
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« Reply #7 on: April 15, 2008, 06:58:18 PM »

When we're all hooked up to the Grid people will be nostalgic for those lost minutes spent browsing internet bookshops ...
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« Reply #8 on: April 15, 2008, 08:17:29 PM »

I had a great time looking around the Wigtown and Robin Hood's Bay bookshops last year - found T.E.D.Klein's, The Ceremonies!

By the way Paul - The Double Life of Alice B.Sheldon sounds fascinating. I notice in a review, someone suggests that little is know about the author's sexual life. So be it. All is  in the author's reveal or not.
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« Reply #9 on: April 15, 2008, 08:23:31 PM »

Ally, Did you get that thing in Robin hood's bay where you are checking out the bookshop windows and then find yourself face to face with a resident who looks back from his living room - your look of conciliatory humility is met with the stoic resignation of the damned.  Or maybe that was just me...
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« Reply #10 on: April 15, 2008, 08:41:25 PM »

I think I missed that Craig .....but I did go for lunch at the top of the cliff and asked a waitress if the mist wound its way up by the fisherman's cottages, and beyond. She said yes ....you would not believe how creepy it looks when the tourists ... leave.
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« Reply #11 on: April 23, 2008, 04:56:23 PM »

I do love a root around in second-hand places, because I'll find books that I wouldn't otherwise even think to look for. You can't beat the random, eclectic nature of a second-hand bookshop.
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« Reply #12 on: July 22, 2008, 09:41:52 PM »

I'm very fond of rooting through used bookstores, as much for the possibily of finding something as for the nostalgia of when I used to go with my mother on a weekly basis as a child. My most memorable discovery was a hard cover copy of Black Beauty sitting on the very top of a shelf that was twice as tall as I was, and then trying to find someone who could reach it for me.

Fortunately for me, second-hand bookshops are not always hard to find so long as the population center is large enough to maintain them (which doesn't help me much right now as I'm in a small town and the only second hand store closed down in the months I was away). I think here the second-hand stores have been given a boost (or at least a reprieve) by the demise of the independent bookstore. I don't know what the situation is like in Britian, but here in Canada (BC that is) I'd say nine out of every ten bookstores I bump into are veins of megastores, usually the same one. Unless one is fortunate enough to be near one of the large, multifloored shops that's actually devoted to books and not half novelties, all the stores carry pretty much the same selection with minor variance for region, and if they don't have what you want in store, you order it on the website. Myself and a number of others have come to depend on second-hand bookstores to find material that the megastores can't be bothered to carry.
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